Is Taylor Swift our greatest living poet-philosopher?

Consider her latest album, Red. In it, she discourses on th...
phi beta cappuccino  03/24/13
"She is both Socrates and Diotima, Dante's Beatrice and...
,,.,.,.,.,....;,.,:,.,.,.,..,...,..:...,.;  03/24/13
This is good. Where did you steal it from?
Warren Wilhelm, Jr.  03/25/13
I think he stole it from American Psycho, the book. I haven...
blipbloop  03/25/13
I was loosely parodying the Whitney Houston chapter for tone...
phi beta cappuccino  03/26/13
180
Bro Montpellier  04/04/14
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cruelty and malice  11/15/16
Who did she break up with this time?
~~(>' ' )>  03/24/13
all of her bfs dump her because she's a frigid dyke
Benzo  03/24/13
lol have you seen the dudes she dates? Frigid dyke isn't th...
phi beta cappuccino  03/24/13
What's the problem then?
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This is pure speculation of course but I'm going with roast ...
chilmata  04/04/14
Talk to your kids about UGLY VAGINA
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yes brother, she was the first human being to genuinely unit...
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That contribution can't be underestimated. She certainly ha...
phi beta cappuccino  03/24/13
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lol what
'"""""'"  03/25/13
poetry and philo are mutually exclusive, hth
dcpoast (41 yr old shirtless guitar player)  03/25/13
Fuck off, Socrates. You couldn't even troll Thrasybulus wit...
phi beta cappuccino  03/26/13
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Libs died. 180!  07/04/13
I realize this is not serious, but she honestly is the most ...
,.,.,.,.,,,,,.,,,.,.,...,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.  03/25/13
She's not a talented songwriter. All of her songs fit the ba...
.,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:..:.,:,::,.  03/26/13
hey guess what songwriter =/= lyricist
rice dragon  04/30/13
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rice dragon  03/25/13
I see now that you are Estrada.
ljl  03/25/13
bad read imo.
Dr. Gay  04/04/14
180
Would I Lie To You Baby?  03/26/13
one hundred and eighty
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bump
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op needs to do kendrick lamar's album
T1GER Woods  04/13/13
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Bro Montpellier  04/04/14
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1dpph8/is_taylor_...
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easily
sealclubber  05/05/13
bump
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much deserved 180
BenSpanklin  06/29/13
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have a good life, millenials
fuck off  07/03/13
killself
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go away peter
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go away peter
...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,:.:,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,..;,  07/03/13
lol jewel pwns her in every way
Fratty  07/04/13
BAM! Blowjob from Taylor or Jewel. Who do you choose?
Libs died. 180!  07/04/13
that's a tough q probably jewel
Fratty  07/04/13
180
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TedCruz the wise  03/28/14
lana del rey hth
hizzlaa  03/28/14
Joanna Newsom or gtfo
Boichester United  04/04/14
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TedCruz the wise  04/04/14
nice poast, man
hacked214251  04/04/14
180 and "the deceptive audacity of REO Speedwagon"...
Boichester United  04/04/14
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op is bob woodward pu right? pure scholarship
Dr. Gay  04/04/14
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Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle  04/04/14
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34 yo female comedian doing bit about being single  09/12/15
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Jewish appealing to emotion to deceive you  10/01/15
Fuck me I love threads like these.
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Grimes  11/14/16
Just imagine Patrick Bateman going through this entire spiel...
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S/T to Red may be the greatest 4-album compendium of emo lyr...
Wilbur Mercer, permanently embarrassed millionaire  11/15/16
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Wilbur Mercer, permanently embarrassed millionaire  08/10/17
I could read these all day everyday
pepito  11/15/16
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Thanks Mario! But our partner is in another castle  08/10/17


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phi beta cappuccino

(extra like the olive oil)


6:31 PM - March 24th, 2013

Consider her latest album, Red. In it, she discourses on the five traditional branches of philosophy: metaphysics ("Everything Has Changed"), epistemology ("I Knew You Were Trouble"), logic ("Begin Again"), aesthetics ("Sad Beautiful Tragic"), and ethics ("We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"). But she invigilates these categories ruthlessly in her opus on the futility of human action ("I Almost Do"), her paean to faith against reason ("State of Grace"), and her enigmatic Socratic dialogue on Western decline ("The Last Time", featuring Gary Lightbody of Snow Patrol).

Just as Bob Dylan used his nasal whine to focus our moral attention on the everyday details of life, like race riots and police shootings, Taylor Swift uses her flinty, almost Canadian voice to assure us that her songs are trite morality plays, artifice based in part on a true story. Without either the utopian simplicity of The Eagles or the deceptive audacity of REO Speedwagon, she needs the mask of biographical incident to disguise the disturbing implications of her radical skepticism. Does she believe the world floats on the back of a turtle? Who knows? We'll have to wait for the Playboy interview.

Taylor Swift's artificiality is not unique in pop music. She plays America's fag hag, just as Justin Beiber plays an eternally molested child, right down to his milksop Christianity, and Nicki Minaj confirms every stereotype about transgendered prostitutes from Queens. These archetypes give us a means of confronting the confusion and despair of post-industrial life. We have strangled the last king with the entrails of the last priest, but we still want authority and we still want absolution. Enter Taylor Swift, herself innocent yet confessional, forgiving every deviance yet relentlessly preserving them for the record in surprisingly catchy tunes. She is both Socrates and Diotima, Dante's Beatrice and Milton's Uriel.

So, to answer the question which motivates this poast: is Taylor Swift our greatest living poet-philosopher? No, that's probably Michael Sandel.


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10:07 PM - March 24th, 2013

"She is both Socrates and Diotima, Dante's Beatrice and Milton's Uriel."

180


Warren Wilhelm, Jr.


4:15 PM - March 25th, 2013

This is good. Where did you steal it from?


blipbloop


4:17 PM - March 25th, 2013

I think he stole it from American Psycho, the book. I haven't read the book in years but an entire chapter was written about Whitney Houston. I would be surprised if OP replaced Whitney Houston and Whitney Houston song's with Taylor Swift and Taylor Swift songs.


phi beta cappuccino

(extra like the olive oil)


3:05 AM - March 26th, 2013

I was loosely parodying the Whitney Houston chapter for tone, but it's not exactly the same.

Here's the chapter, btw.

http://www.whitney-fan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4434


Bro Montpellier


2:40 PM - April 4th, 2014

180


cruelty and malice

(trainandpuppetshow@gmail.com. )


10:25 AM - November 15th, 2016


~~(>\' \' )>


6:33 PM - March 24th, 2013

Who did she break up with this time?


Benzo

(108.254.180.122)


6:35 PM - March 24th, 2013

all of her bfs dump her because she's a frigid dyke


phi beta cappuccino

(extra like the olive oil)


6:42 PM - March 24th, 2013

lol have you seen the dudes she dates? Frigid dyke isn't the problem.


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1:33 AM - July 4th, 2013

What's the problem then?


chilmata


10:28 AM - April 4th, 2014

This is pure speculation of course but I'm going with roast beef curtains.


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10:33 AM - April 4th, 2014

Talk to your kids about UGLY VAGINA


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6:55 PM - March 24th, 2013

yes brother, she was the first human being to genuinely unite analytic and continental philosophy. greatest SCHOLAR of our age!


phi beta cappuccino

(extra like the olive oil)


9:44 PM - March 24th, 2013

That contribution can't be underestimated. She certainly has been cucked enough times to qualify as a premier intellectual.


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10:04 PM - March 24th, 2013


\'\"\"\"\"\"\'\"


4:23 PM - March 25th, 2013

lol what


dcpoast (41 yr old shirtless guitar player)


4:23 PM - March 25th, 2013

poetry and philo are mutually exclusive, hth


phi beta cappuccino

(extra like the olive oil)


2:55 AM - March 26th, 2013

Fuck off, Socrates. You couldn't even troll Thrasybulus without breathlessly quoting Aeschylus.


Libs died. 180!


1:30 AM - July 4th, 2013


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4:25 PM - March 25th, 2013

I realize this is not serious, but she honestly is the most talented song-writer/singer to come along in a long time. Some of the stuff she's done that is not even well known is pretty brilliant, e.g.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzJlpnBaJyw

She's still a very flawed person, but her talent is off the charts.


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8:28 AM - March 26th, 2013

She's not a talented songwriter. All of her songs fit the basic template of "rowdy rebellious teen" "wistful ex lover longing for *home*,"hopeful lover," and "nostalgic youth longing for even more youth." They're tropes in pop music that she and her team are clever enough to exploit. Doesn't make her a talented song writer.


rice dragon


9:59 PM - April 30th, 2013

hey guess what songwriter =/= lyricist


rice dragon


4:37 PM - March 25th, 2013


ljl


4:37 PM - March 25th, 2013

I see now that you are Estrada.


Dr. Gay


1:45 PM - April 4th, 2014

bad read imo.


Would I Lie To You Baby?


5:17 AM - March 26th, 2013

180


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8:37 AM - March 26th, 2013

one hundred and eighty


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3:15 AM - April 13th, 2013

bump


T1GER Woods


3:38 AM - April 13th, 2013

op needs to do kendrick lamar's album


Bro Montpellier


2:41 PM - April 4th, 2014


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12:17 PM - May 5th, 2013

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1dpph8/is_taylor_swift_our_greatest_living/


sealclubber


12:39 PM - May 5th, 2013

easily


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5:12 PM - June 29th, 2013

bump


BenSpanklin


5:26 PM - June 29th, 2013

much deserved 180


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12:26 AM - July 3rd, 2013


fuck off


12:30 AM - July 3rd, 2013

have a good life, millenials


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12:31 AM - July 3rd, 2013

killself


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9:34 PM - July 3rd, 2013

go away peter


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9:34 PM - July 3rd, 2013

go away peter


Fratty


1:29 AM - July 4th, 2013

lol jewel pwns her in every way


Libs died. 180!


1:31 AM - July 4th, 2013

BAM! Blowjob from Taylor or Jewel. Who do you choose?


Fratty


2:34 AM - July 4th, 2013

that's a tough q

probably jewel


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(tedcruz)


6:35 PM - December 26th, 2013

180


TedCruz the wise


11:33 AM - March 28th, 2014

180


hizzlaa


11:38 AM - March 28th, 2014

lana del rey hth


Boichester United

(cool god man wandering the flesh realm)


10:24 AM - April 4th, 2014

Joanna Newsom or gtfo


TedCruz the wise


10:21 AM - April 4th, 2014


hacked214251


10:27 AM - April 4th, 2014

nice poast, man


Boichester United

(cool god man wandering the flesh realm)


10:30 AM - April 4th, 2014

180 and "the deceptive audacity of REO Speedwagon" would be a great moniker.


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1:33 PM - April 4th, 2014


Dr. Gay


1:44 PM - April 4th, 2014

op is bob woodward pu right? pure scholarship


Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle


3:09 PM - April 4th, 2014


34 yo female comedian doing bit about being single


3:18 PM - September 12th, 2015


Jewish appealing to emotion to deceive you


5:28 AM - October 1st, 2015


Eddie Mustafa Muhammad


6:06 AM - October 1st, 2015

Fuck me I love threads like these.


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8:26 PM - January 10th, 2016


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2:02 AM - May 27th, 2016


birds (retired)


2:06 AM - May 27th, 2016


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6:40 PM - November 14th, 2016


Grimes


6:56 PM - November 14th, 2016


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10:25 AM - November 15th, 2016

Just imagine Patrick Bateman going through this entire spiel while playing a "I Knew You Were Trouble", just before he brutally murders people. What I'm saying is it's time for an American Psycho remake.


Wilbur Mercer, permanently embarrassed millionaire

(Wilbur Mercer)


10:32 AM - November 15th, 2016

S/T to Red may be the greatest 4-album compendium of emo lyricism of all time


Wilbur Mercer, permanently embarrassed millionaire

(Wilbur Mercer)


12:55 PM - August 10th, 2017


pepito


10:34 AM - November 15th, 2016

I could read these all day everyday


Thanks Mario! But our partner is in another castle

( )


12:53 PM - August 10th, 2017